Thats what we will get to.

Tuesday, December 27, 2005

Ummm Is this Christianity?

I have been talking to some interesting folks over on a progressive theology blog.

The blog author like the 'church' he belongs to claims to be against violence yet acts as a mouthpiece for Hamas and Hezbollah.

Isn't it weird to anyone but me that someone who claims to be Christian supports groups that call for genocide? Isn't killing people supposed to be against Christianity?

A quote from a link on this guys blog in which Hamas suicide bombers are called 'freedom fighters': And I quote!

When my friends and I approached the checkpoint, we were split into men and women. I was the only man in our group so I had to enter the line for men who fit the age profile for Palestinian freedom fighters. I asked if I could enter the line for women and older men, since I was carrying an American passport.

I mean is it any wonder Jewish people are paranoid of Christians these days???

Here is the link, from the Palestine summer blog this guy did if you can stomach it read on:

Another nice quote from our Christian friends:

They have taken many traditional Christmas Carols and re-arranged them, so
that these well-known songs can become the vehicle for widespread awareness about the unfolding genocide, ethnic cleansing and dispossession of the Palestinian people by the Zionist entity - and also to impart some understanding of the legitimate right of all Palestinians to resist.

This is from the blog of a theology student no less.
You can't make this stuff up.

Now for anyone not familiar with Hamas and Hezbollah or with the fanatics in Iran, the "Zionist entity' in question is Israel.
How can such terrible bigotry go unquestioned in the Christian world? Why doesn't anyone speak out about this stuff?


Blogger Michael said...

First, let me admit that I have not yet read the blog link you've provided. I try to stay away from those items that to me are nothing more than pure poison. I cannot account for these so-called "progressives", and I won't even try.

Jesus taught that we will know His followers by the fruit that is produced. Hatred, contempt, murder, and even ignorance are not fruits acceptable to Him. These people are following a false messiah, and Jesus even warned against these.

Have peace and know that there are some sorely imperfect Christians who desperately try to walk in some mighty big Footsteps and fail often. Then there are those, of course, who refuse to even try.

Happy Chanuka! Shalom!

9:53 PM  
Blogger St.Phransus said...

Any Christian who favors violence over peace is not acting in "good" faith, but a cheapened and coopted version of Christianity.

Unfortunately many Christians (especially american christians?) seem to have bought into this cheap version of religion and have domesticated the potency of the life of Jesus and his teachings.

I think Jesus would be very disturbed at the state of things with the Church today and world leaders who make choices in his name.

Thanks for visiting my blog and commenting. Happy Hanukah/Chanukah to you and family.

ps: quick question- how does the jewish tradition reconcile nonviolence as a way of life and the actions of the maccabees and the celebration of their revolt? I had not thought about it until just now reading your blog post.


1:43 PM  
Blogger callieischatty said...

Thanks for your comment. I think you might be better to ask Elder that, you can see him on my blog roll.
In any case let me try to answer.
If someone is actively trying to kill you then you are actually not only allowed but commanded to respond.
The actual command as I recall forbids a man from allowing an intruder or anyone from murdering his family.
It is forbidden to celebrate the death of an enemy tho.
This is one reason why Israel finds the celebration in Palestinian areas after a suicide bombing so monstrous.
Even after a 'victory' we are saddened that any life had to be taken.

1:47 PM  
Blogger St.Phransus said...

thanks for the response. i have met adam (pomomusings blogger) once and do read his blog from time to time.

i cannot speak for either him, the presbyterian church or the methodist church whole, but i did read his post "merry christmas to all?", which i'm assuming is the one that you read as well.

i have to say that it does not look to me that he advocates violence as an option for either palastinians or isralies.

as a methodist christian i do not advocate violence and believe war is incompatible with christian teaching. do i think that self defense is necessary for a country to practice when faced with terror on it's soil? i suppose there are few options, and although i believe it to be against god's will to use violence to solve any problem, i cannot criticize a country/nation who faces terror and violence from others.

i do advocate however, that as a goal/dream/vision in the middle east that there be physical space for all god's children, no matter what religion, to dwell and live peacefully and harmoniously. i think that's what adam is advocating on his blog, as well.

3:07 PM  
Blogger Michael said...


I did visit that blog you mentioned. Unless I missed something, they don't offer the option of responding to anything.

I read some of their stuff, and I did not come away with the same perception that you did although I bristled at the phrase, "occupied Palestine". That alone might be enough to make one defensive.

Jonathan said it as well as it could have been said. Being an advocate of violence, especially against innocent persons, does not leave much room for peaceful notions.

10:51 PM  
Blogger callieischatty said...

Did you click on the Christmas link that refered to jewish people as a 'zionist entity'???

Thats so awful. We are people thats all.

And the Hamas links don't allow comments for obvious reasons I think.

I agree, all people should have a homeland.

Supporting extremist groups as the author of that blog does, helps no one.

Dehumanizing someone doesn't solve things.

And thanks to you both for stopping by.

All the blessings of the season to you both.

And thanks also for talking to me about this. I feel terrible about the Christian left.

Its so awful to read.

12:53 AM  
Blogger MisFitToy said...

I've been in intercession a lot for the State of Israel and praying for the peace of Jerusalem, God's Holy city for the Jewish people.

I am more radical in my views than either you or st.phransus as a preacher's kid who's dad was on the cover of the Jewish times for his work to support Israel. Dad's a pacifist, I'm a zionist with a heart of a Navy Seal, an Army Ranger, the IDF and the Mossad. I am doing intercession in the spirit against Hamas and the Islamic groups against Israel and the Jews everywhere. When will Christians wake up and see that the Muslims hate them as much as the Jews?
There is power in prayer and I've been called a prayer warrior and I've done battle with two wiccan covens and won and have no qualms about praying God's judgement upon those that seek to harm others via terrorism. God loves us all the same and even the terrorists. I do as well, but there is a time for peace and a time for battle and when someone is out to wipe off the Israeli nation off the map, Christians need to step up and be counted as supporters of Israel.

I've just heard many stories of Christian persecution and slavery throughout the world and the Americans and Europeans have become complacent and diseased by comfort and turned a blind eye and deaf ear.

If the Church will not stand for the Jewish people in the coming days of tribulation and persecution, who will? I have a friend who's son is on the front lines with the IDF in Israel and I pray for him a lot for protection as he has to deal with these brainwashed young people sent to die and murder innocents. The US government is in cohoots with the Saudi royals and other oil barons with a stated purpose to murder Jews and who view them as pigs and monkeys. Our current State Dept and my own precious president are also deluded and too much on the side of the Islamic fanatics because of Oil.
The volcano is "fixin'" to blow...

11:35 PM  
Blogger callieischatty said...

hi Misfitoy!!
How are you! Long time no see.

Wow, give me a Christian Zionist anytime over the crazy bloodthirsty nuts on the Christian left.

What is a wiccan? I have never heard of this.

Have you been enjoying the holidays? Did you and your family have a Merry Christmas?

I hope so, I am glad to hear from you.

10:31 PM  

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